Jeff Burningham: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI
After decades of chasing success as a tech entrepreneur, venture capitalist, and even a candidate for Utah governor, Jeff Burningham found himself questioning what it all meant.
When the governor’s race ended in 2020, Jeff finally had space to pause—and that pause changed everything. It led him to write The Last Book Written by a Human, a deeply personal reflection on consciousness, connection, and wisdom in an age increasingly defined by artificial intelligence.
Hear Jeff talk about:
What it was like to step back from chasing success and re-evaluate what matters
Why he believes AI is a mirror showing us who we are
The four stages he sees as part of every human and technological evolution: disruption, reflection, transformation, and evolution
Why slowing down might be the most human thing we can do
Mentioned in this episode:
The Last Book Written by a Human by Jeff Burningham
The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
“As our machines become smarter, we have to become wiser.”
Episode 23 Notes
Stacy: This is Tell Me What It’s Like, a show about extraordinary challenges, life-changing decisions, and defining moments.
I’m Stacy Raine.
Jeff Birmingham spent decades chasing success as a tech entrepreneur, venture capitalist, and even a candidate for Governor of Utah.
But after losing that race in 2020, he took a step back and started asking some big questions about success, about spirituality, and about what it really means to be human.
Those reflections led him to write The Last Book Written by a Human, a deeply personal exploration of consciousness, connection, and wisdom, and an age increasingly defined by artificial intelligence.
Jeff, welcome to the show.
Jeff: Hey, Stacy, it’s good to be with you.
Stacy: I’m so glad you’re here.
Defining AI, Artificial Intelligence
Stacy: I want to first start by just defining AI, artificial intelligence. Can you give that definition really fast?
Jeff: Gosh, I’ve never been asked that question, actually. It’s interesting.
The thing that comes to mind is how artificial it really is.
I don’t really like the term artificial intelligence. Maybe augmented intelligence.
But anyway, it is artificial, and that’s what we’re going with. I would define it as any type of computer-generated, non-human intelligence.
That’s how I would define what AI is right now.
ChatGPT and Other Tools
Stacy: When I think about AI, my mind immediately goes to ChatGPT.
Would you think that’s kind of where everyone goes right now, or is there more that you think about?
Jeff: Yeah, there’s more that I think about.
I think most people just think of ChatGPT, which is fine.
This is a first kind of, you could say, at scale, large language learning model that has been commercialized and easy to use for a broad swath of the population.
But there are a lot of different tools that compete with ChatGPT.
There are a lot of different tools that are focused on imagery instead of intelligence, or word intelligence, whatever you want to call it.
So, yeah, I think there’s a whole suite of tools.
What’s interesting is these tools become more and more embedded in other tools that we use.
Social Media and the Almighty Algorithm
Jeff: I talk about in the book how social media is kind of like the baby AI or infant AI.
It’s our first general use of technology.
General use means used by most of the public or a broad swath of the public population.
It is our first experiment, you could say, with what I would call the almighty algorithm.
That is choosing what information to feed us, that helps us understand ourselves, that disseminates news, information, disinformation, et cetera.
So I think it’s really interesting to look at social media as an experiment in AI and to ask ourselves, do we like where this is taking us?
As you mentioned, I ran for governor in Utah and I would often see neighbors who shared so much in common — almost everything — yet because of their curated social media feeds, they thought that the other one was an enemy.
Or that they were divided, that there was this big distance between them.
Which is, I'll have to say, just an illusion. It’s illusory. It’s not true.
So we’ve seen the first outcomes of social media, in terms of political division, of course.
And secondly, I know that you’re a mom. I’m a dad. I have four kids.
We’ve definitely seen the effects of social media on mental health, especially for the younger generation, which is really heartbreaking.
Something we need to look at and tackle.
Business: Make Money or Help Humanity
Stacy: You talk about in the book that one of the things we can do is think about how we use business.
Whether business is to make money or business is to help humanity.
Right now, if you look at social media, would you say that it’s more helpful or not?
Jeff: I think that’s a question we could all ask ourselves, and I guess maybe I’m biased, but I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s not helpful.
So, yeah, the book kind of follows the Heroic journey.
There’s four steps or four sections of the book.
The first one is disruption.
Change is the only constant that we get to experience in life.
Then there’s a chance for reflection. That’s the second section.
Third is transformation, and fourth is evolution.
What I think is interesting about this heroic journey, is it mirrors our spiritual existence.
And it mirrors the way that technology often comes onto the scene.
What I argue in the book is that AI is a cosmic mirror.
It’s simply a reflection to us of ourselves.
All AI does is take all of human recorded data, consumes it, and then based on how we interact individually with AI, with ChatGPT or whatever it may be, it reflects something back to us.
In that reflection is a powerful opportunity to change and to transform.
So do I think social media is working for us now?
No. I hardly know anyone who would argue for that.
So what are we going to do here as humans?
What are we going to pivot? What are we going to change?
Do we like the reflection we’re seeing in the mirror?
Do we like what’s happening to us?
Do we like the division that we feel in our hearts, our minds, our lives, our neighborhoods?
To me, this division is largely made up or illusory.
It’s not true to the heart of existence.
So I think it offers an opportunity for us to reflect and to change.
I hope that’s at least the case I make in the book, and it’s what I’m working for.
Becoming Wiser
Stacy: You talk about becoming wiser because these tools are very smart.
They take all of the things that we fed it and can synthesize it and reflect it back.
That leaves a choice for us to become wiser.
What do you mean by that?
Jeff: I think that this is the message for the moment.
The book has resonated deeply with a lot of readers since it came out six weeks or so ago.
I’m very grateful for that.
I’ve done a lot of public appearances, et cetera; and I'll tell you, in my public appearances, you can hear a pin drop.
It’s because this is the message for our moment in time.
And the message is simply what you said, that as our machines become more and more intelligent, we as humans must become more wise.
What does that mean?
I think that means returning to the basics.
I’ve taught entrepreneurship as an adjunct professor to thousands of students at BYU down the street from me since the governor run.
One of the things I often say to them is that the most simple ideas are often the most powerful, and therefore the most neglected.
We need to return to the simple beauty of humanness.
We need to relish the messiness of what it means to be human.
I talk about three universal teachers in the book.
They’re very simple. They’re very obvious.
They’re right in front of our faces.
We take them for granted.
They are our bodies.
We all have a body that is full of wisdom that we do not listen to.
By the way, AI is not embodied. At least not yet, and/or theoretically it may never be embodied like we are.
So what wisdom does our body hold?
Number one.
Number two, AI can’t be in a relationship like we can.
Intimate human, real messy relationship.
I talk about in the book how our relationships, specifically our family, aren't in our way.
They are the way.
Because it’s through those hard things, through that messy turmoil of human relationship, that we actually get to transform.
Then the last universal teacher we have that we take for granted is nature.
Nature is constantly mirroring for us.
The setting or the rising of the sun every day.
The setting of the sun, the change of the seasons.
I believe that existence is a never ending cycle of life, death, rebirth.
This is mimicked in our breath.
This is mimicked in every day.
I think AI provides humanity a wonderful opportunity to be reborn.
I talk about it in the book as a crucible that we must go through together in order to come out transformed and evolve our institutions on the other side.
Stacy: It is no easy task though.
Jeff: Are you kidding me?
This is the hardest work we’ve ever done.
The book is the bull case for AI, like how we could use it for human flourishing.
I’m sitting here today and this morning kind of discouraged and down just because of the state of humanity, the state of what’s going on in our world.
This isn’t easy.
This is our calling. This is what we’re made for.
We need to rise up.
I believe the outcome of this world or whatever, is up to us.
I don’t think it’s been decided.
I think it’s up to humanity, and it is discouraging to see these things.
But again, something else I say to my students: some things are worth our best efforts, no matter the outcome.
Guardrails: Individuals, Companies, Government
Stacy: I’ll tell you, as just a regular person who’s not involved in tech companies or any of that, it’s hard to feel like any one individual has a whole lot of say.
I know we do in some ways—like, am I on social media too much?
Should I introduce it?
Do I let my kids get on social media?
There’s so many things that I think we can control.
But a lot of times I look to companies and our government to put guardrails in place.
Do you think it really falls to the individual, or do you think these companies that are making this stuff have responsibility here?
Jeff: Absolutely. They have responsibility.
We’re going to have ample opportunity for leaders in business, religion, and government to choose their own heroic path.
Lay down their lives for their friends.
In other words, choose something that may not be best for their bottom line or to be reelected in the next campaign.
Choose what’s best for humanity.
I know this is a tall task. I know that's not what happens.
I ran for governor. I built billion dollar companies.
I’m not stupid about this—I understand how it works, but I’m just telling you this is the path we need to take, or else..
Our leaders are a reflection of us. We may want to say they’re not, but they are.
Our companies are a reflection of us.
So therefore, absolutely, it has to do with individuals.
If every single person took that first part of what you said—
I’m going to be wise in how I use AI.
I'm going to be really smart as I talk to my children about social media.
I'm going to be really cognizant of any comments I leave on,
So I'm making stuff up, you know.. I'm going to limit the time that I spend on social media—what kind of ripple effect would that have?
If every single person would do that, what ripple effects would that have?
It doesn’t take every single person.
If a significant percentage of people would do that, what ripple effects would it have?
You’re talking about the chicken and the egg.
Do our leaders change? Do we change?
We change together.
We’re actually all united in one.
So everything that you do, Stacy, matters.
Everything I do matters.
It has a ripple effect.
Can you or I alone change the world? Probably not, but that still doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
That still doesn’t mean we don’t have responsibility.
And obviously, I wrote The Last Book Written by a Human as a conversation starter.
That’s in business, religious places, places of worship, government leaders.
That’s around the dinner table.
This was meant to be a conversation starter that potentially leads to a movement.
I call it the human political movement in the book.
I think we can do this because I have to think we can do this.
If we all just throw in the towel and say forget it, the outcome is not going to be good.
We can make a difference individually here, and as the individuals make a difference, that ripples out to the collective.
I really believe that.
Human Flourishing and Agentic Nature
Stacy: So let's talk about AI and the negative effects — it’s not just social media.
There's lots of ways that, as you said, AI is being used and integrated into our lives and even already in schools.
So does it make you nervous, would you say?
Do you think ultimately it can be a good thing, or are you nervous in general?
Jeff: I think it ultimately can be a good thing.
I hope that’s clear from the book.
That’s what I’m fighting for.
I think we need to point AI development squarely on human flourishing.
I think if we develop it with that eye, almost think of it like raising up,
What's different about AI than any other tool that humans have created is its agentic nature or its ability to be an agent, or become an agent unto itself to make choices on its own.
That’s why the way that we program AI is critical.
The way that we raise it up really matters.
Is it possible? Yes.
Are we doing it? It kind of doesn’t feel like it.
I mean, this is why I wrote this book.
I wrote this book at a great personal cost.
As you said in your intro, I was very vulnerable. I was completely honest.
It's kind of the opposite of a successful whatever person's memoir.
I tell you kind of all the worst things about myself.
I tell you about my own heroic journey, and then I try to have you see your story in mine so that we go on a journey together.
We can move together, we can improve the world together.
Does it make me nervous? Absolutely.
Does that mean again, we should be frozen stuck, put our head in the sand and pretend this isn't happening? No.
It means that we need to look for, we need to elect, we need to elevate and promote leaders with a framework for human flourishing through the age of intelligent machines.
That's my opinion.
Education, BYU, and “Talent is Evenly Distributed”
Jeff: Can I say one thing about education too?
Stacy: Please.
Jeff: It was a great debate in the business school at BYU: What should we do about AI?
You can’t keep AI out of the classroom.
This is my opinion, and I don’t think it’s wise to, because half of those students will be working with AI in the future.
That will be their job: is how to prompt and work with AI in order to increase efficiency or create a better product or, whatever the case may be.
So it’s up to our educational systems, and this is obviously a work in progress.
It's something that's happening now, to figure out how to make sure that students don’t use AI as a crutch.
That they’re not learning because of their use of AI.
That there isn’t brain rot or whatever it's called, because they aren’t doing their work, they’re having AI do their work.
So this is a work in progress.
One other thought: I believe that talent is basically evenly distributed around the world, but opportunity is not.
If you think of an emerging market or a country that doesn’t have a great educational system, and you’re a very intelligent child being raised in that system, to have AI as a tutor in your pocket all day, every day is a massive leveler of education.
It can rise so many young students around the world.
So I think there is a lot of potential benefit globally in terms of education with AI.
But of course there are risks.
Of course we should be careful.
And of course we're trying to figure this out, you know, luckily here, like is often the case, I think with ai, and life.
The obstacle becomes the way here.
And so we need to head towards this obstacle together.
I think it can lead to a better humanity, a more evolved humanity where more of us flourish.
Childhood, The Mormon Church, and “Radical Community & Connection”
Stacy: Yeah. I mean, just what you said about using it [AI] as a tool, it's not the thing that's going to come in and do everything for us.
It's a thing that we're going to use to solve these big problems that we haven't been able to yet solve. And using it wisely to do that, I think is, like you know, very important.
I want to step back and go back to your childhood.
You were raised in the Mormon church. You talk about in the book that you were an achiever, right? You did everything as best as you could.
You've been heavily involved in your church.
How do you feel like that came into play as you started to think about what's happening in tech?
This big thing is happening, and you started to reflect on these bigger questions.
Jeff: I think it had a huge role.
I grew up as a Mormon, a Christian.
It was a great way to grow up.
I’m thankful for my background.
It’s kind of nice to come out of the womb with every existential question in a box, answered for you.
Nice and easy.
It’s nice until it’s not.
Is what I think I say in the book because you obviously gain experience in life.
You see there’s a lot more gray than black and white.
I was a missionary for my church in Charlotte, North Carolina.
I was a bishop, which is a lay leader of a congregation of about 500 people.
So my faith tradition has greatly informed my life.
I talk about reforming religion in the book.
The question I ask, and I think every religion should ask itself in the age of AI, is:
When we are struggling with community and connection, when humans are trying to spend time with each other and to stay connected, what special belief or practice should really stand in the way of human community and connection?
I would say none again.
Unless you have someone who is trying to inflict harm, there is no special belief or practice.
We’re all the body of Christ.
I’m speaking from a Christian perspective.
We’re all human.
We all have a role to play and we’re all connected.
Instead of creating division or hierarchies, which my church is really good at, let’s bring us together.
What I argue in the book and what I say in the book is that the ultimate innovation, the greatest innovation of Jesus was radical community and connection.
I think that’s something we need to return to in the age of the artificial, because people are crying out for connection.
I encourage people in the book to not leave their faith traditions, but to go back to their faith tradition.
So that they can be connected with people, so that they can continue to help the faith tradition change and transform, and so that we can be connected.
We all need to lean into real life experiences that we love and cherish.
Everything about the book, everything about my background was influenced by my family of origin, like for all of us, and my faith tradition of origin, like most of us.
That’s just how life is.
We get programmed as infants.
I’m a grandpa. I have a 15 month old grandson.
Things happen quickly here in Utah. I'm 48 years old, but I have a grandson
And he’s adorable and precious, but completely helpless.
He would die within a couple days if he was not watched.
And so all humans get programmed.
But unlike AI, and it's not all bad, but unlike ai, we can reprogram ourselves.
We can deprogram ourselves.
We can reprogram ourselves.
We can understand that not everything we inherited was good or true, or right.
We can find the better way.
The Universe Happens The Way It’s Supposed To
Stacy: Absolutely. You talk a lot about connection and in the book you talk about how the universe is perfect, so well designed.
Through it, we really are all connected.
And that's something I've been thinking about a lot lately too. Just how atoms work and we're all made of them.
And you know, the question I was asking myself as I was reading what you said in the book, “The Universe happens the way it’s supposed to on the long view.”
It really all does work out. How does AI fall into that?
This is a tool, it's meant for us and we're supposed to use it.
Jeff: That’s a great question.
I think chapter seven is called The Eye in the Sky.
It’s a bedtime story that I wrote for my children.
My wife Sally and I would read bedtime stories, when our kids were growing up, and this was the one I wrote.
It’s a metaphor for what AI is to humanity and let's say we are to God, and I don't know if you want me to briefly repeat it, but let me just say, I believe there's only one thing that exists.
That thing is expressing itself in infinite forms.
And so those forms forget that they’re all powerful.
They forget that they’re connected.
They forget the past or like the before this life.
But the truth of reality is a connected field of consciousness, in my opinion.
And so really, we're all one thing.
We’re playing a cosmic game of hide and seek, where we’re forgetting who we are and then reawakening to who we are.
So what does that have to do with AI?
We are creating something in our image, like you could say biblically God did.
That thinks like us.
Think of a decade down the line when there are AI people, robots, walking around doing tasks, integrated in life.
We’re creating a mirror of reflection of us so that we can understand ourselves better.
Just like the all seen eye in the sky, or God shattered itself, created infinite pieces as a reflection to itself so that it can remember.
Oh yeah, it is good that I exist. Oh yeah, this is about love. Oh yeah, we can progress. We can work out our differences.
So anyways, this is getting a little woo woo
You’ll have to read the book if you want the whole thing.
I think there’s some symmetry in this.
I think there’s some divine symmetry.
We’re bringing the economy, ethics, morality, of let’s say heaven down to earth as we create quote unquote artificial intelligence.
I said at the very beginning, is it really artificial?
As we go on, we’re going to realize more and more this isn’t artificial intelligence.
This is much closer to how actual intelligence works. Holy. I wanna swear, you know, I don't know if that's okay.
In your pocket, holy whatever.
What does that mean for us?
Like what does that act?
Who am I really?
What’s really going on here?
What is different about my intelligence and this other intelligence we’ve created?
So anyways, that's kind of a mess. That's a little woo woo, but I elucidate it much better, I think, in the book.
And I think it's definitely something to think about. I was trying to elevate the conversation about AI.
I'll be honest. I was sick of having conversations with friends, investors, etc about how do we make money from AI.
That’s not the purpose and point of AI in my opinion.
The purpose of AI is to turn us back to ourselves, to help us relish our humanity and transform.
Everything Is Already Inside Ourselves
Stacy: My favorite part of your book is that you really could take AI out of it and it's still just as relevant.
But those two things, number one, that you have an effect and you can choose what that effect is on everyone else.
We’re all connected.
Everything we do impacts someone else.
When you can create change when you wake up and you respond kindly to your spouse, when you're a thoughtful business leader.
Things like that. That was one of my favorite parts.
Just thinking about that, but that also extends to our creation of this thing that we're, as you say, creating in our image, what we do is going to impact it even now.
And also the fact that businesses should work to make humans flourish as you put it, versus as you were just saying, how do we profit from this?
But the thing that I wonder about is when we’re so entrenched in the way we do things, how do we move forward with that knowledge?
Jeff: I’ll end with one more simple and most profound thought, and therefore most neglected which is, everything that every human is really looking for is already inside ourselves.
It’s not external to us.
So in the air, we breathe in the United States, in this highly capitalistic economy and a democracy, which I'm not criticizing these things,
These are, I would argue, the best of a bunch of imperfect systems.I love it.
I love my country, I love my faith tradition, like I said, even though it's flawed. But what I would say is we need to stop externalizing everything.
Looking outside of ourselves for validation, for success metrics.
If I have this and that, if I check this box, if I’m famous, if this is my car, I’ve arrived.
I mean, I talk in the book very, I think poignantly and at least powerfully for me.
I talk about climbing my little mountain of success.
I built so many companies.
I achieved the American Dream.
I had a beautiful wife and kids.
I was a bishop.
Check, check, check.
And I got to the top, and if you recall, Stacy, I said: “There is nothing but a cold howling wind at the top.”
Stacy: At the top.
Jeff: There’s only void and more void on top of that.
So my point is: how do we do this?
We go inside.
We stop looking outside.
We go inside to do our own work, to heal our own trauma, so that we can bring the best of ourselves to all our doing as long as we're embodied here on earth.
We’re going to have so much to do.
What I realized is that I had become a human doing.
I was addicted to doing because I thought there was something always from the outside that could validate me.
That could help me feel good about myself.
But that’s not the truth of reality.
Based again on AI as a cosmic mirror, as more and more of us go inside ourselves, I think we can heal ourselves and bring our best selves to all our doing, to all the institutions that we're a part of, to our families.
That doesn’t mean everyone wakes up — we’re a product of our biology and programming and trauma — but as soon as we accept that and work on that, we can bring ease, love, and grace to any situation that may come before us.
That’s what we need to do here, in the age of AI.
I think this is a painful road we’re walking by the way.
I think we change via pain.Unfortunately.
Humans, most generally, and I think AI is going to bring a lot of quote unquote, pain to humanity, which is going to cause us to go inside and come out transformed and better.
The Power of Now
Stacy: I will say, as I was reading the book, it reminded me of when I read The Power of Now a little bit.
It’s talking about all we have is this present moment and how things are connected.
I think it’s important that we think about these things, especially as we’re getting into this new age of things that we're creating, as you say, in our image, but also just in general with where we are. Like you said, my neighbor and I want the same thing, but we’re not enemies, even if social media tries to make us feel that way.
I don't think anybody's happy with that.
How do you feel like you did a lot of introspection as part of this book?
You know, you had your career and all these businesses that you've launched and then this is something very different.
How do you feel like you’ve changed in this process?
Jeff: Oh man, that can’t be understated.
I love Eckhart Tolle by the way.
It’s interesting because you’re like the third or fourth podcaster who said that the book reminds them of The Power of Now.
This is quite a career pivot.
I’ve been a venture capitalist.
I’ve owned billions of dollars of real estate, private equity.
I started a tech company. We haven't talked a lot about my background and it doesn't really matter.
I ran for governor.
This is a huge transformation and I think it’s the right path for me.
I lied a couple minutes ago. I'm sorry.
I'm gonna say one more simple adage.
Stacy: Go ahead.
Jeff: With space and time, anything can be created.
And I'll just be honest, the first time I had any space and time in my entire adult life was the summer of 2020.
Again, remember I'm a Mormon that went on a mission
That quickly got married
That quickly had kids
That quickly had to get in a career that then started businesses.
That then was a bit like I have been so busy until the summer of 202 when I lost the gubernatorial race into COVID.
I was 43 years old and I had space and time.
This is one of the paradoxes or potential blessings of AI
By the way, when a machine is better at doing so much of what we're used to doing, that may provide a little more space and time for people to meditate, to pray, to create art, to go inside themselves.
And this is certainly in the summer of 2020.
What happened to me is I had, for the first time after the most public defeat of my life, some space and time.
I had nowhere to look outside of myself anymore.
I only had to go inside.
As I went inside, I found something quite different.
Something quite surprising.
It took me five years to write this book because I was wrestling.
I'm putting in quotes,“wrestling” with God about:
I’m not a writer.
I can’t write this.
I can’t tell the truth here.
Eventually you have to surrender.
Live in non-resistance to the quote unquote “will of God” or the flow of the universe in order to step into your heroic journey.
I don’t know exactly where I’m headed, Stacy.
I have been transformed.
I am transforming.
I am changing.
Whereas I used to be this high powered, outward oriented, go, go, go, business person, entrepreneur, I’m becoming this weird hippie artist, author guy here in the second half of my life.
And frankly, it feels right for me.
This is where my heart resides.
This is where I feel like I should head.
Has it been scary as hell to go? I am definitely taking the road less traveled here.
I think more of us can do the same.
And I think as we step in, as we stop refusing our heroic journey's call, the world can be transformed.
We can be here for the reason we're meant to.
We can bring our whole heart and authenticity to the work we do, and that will change the world.
And it won't be, obviously because of me.
It’ll be because millions of people decide to do this.
Millions of people lean more authentically into this path and journey.
That’s the call of our current day.
That’s the call in the age of the artificial.
And I hope people are listening.
I hope people hear it.
I hope the book, The Last Book Written by a Human, is a reminder.
I wrote this as a reminder.
It was meant to feel familiar to people.
The Last Book Written by a Human
Stacy: Well it certainly just raised up different things that I've been thinking about. I was like, this is something I've been pondering lately.
And then I'd read another chapter and that was something I'd been pondering a little bit lately. So certainly..
What if this really is the last book written by a human?
What if that’s the case?
Jeff: I hope it’s not, and it won’t be.
I came up with that title for two reasons.
Number one, this was written with immense human heart and soul.
The whole design of the book is meant to be human.
The outside is shiny and like a machine.
And then the inside show, the pages, they’re beveled pages, rough cut.
That’s human.
That’s messiness.
There was intent behind every part of this book.
And as you know, the only part of the book written by ChatGPT is the foreword.
Besides that, I wrote every word of this book.
So how many more books will be written like that? I don’t know.
But I thought of myself as a 48-year-old guy plopped onto the earth with so much division.
AI’s bursting onto the scene.
What would I want to read to get my bearings as a human?
And this, like what I wrote, is what I would want to read. At least me. I'm just speaking for myself.
This is what I would want to read.
This is what I would want to read to give me a framework to go forward.
The last book written by a human — it’s an interesting title.
It’s an interesting book.
Anytime we connect with another human.
Stacy: I’m glad you did.
It’s a book that reminds us of who we are.
Thank you so much for joining me and telling us what it was like to really think about being human in the age of AI.
Jeff: Stacy, it’s great to be with you.
Anytime we connect with another human, it’s the most sacred space we can share.
It was my pleasure here with you this morning.
Thanks for having me.
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